Soy Blues

by Stefan Fobes

Soy. Is it good or is it bad? It’s a question that’s been long twisting around in my head, and no doubt, in many many others’. My searching started with a joint study done in Indonesia by British and Indonesian university researchers where they found that people eating tofu twice a day had 20% less memory function compared to those who ate it much less. The problem is, tofu products there contain formaldehyde, (also in vaccines) so it was definitely flawed. I wouldn’t even mention this, but amazingly, these crack brains are stumped about whether or not it’s a factor when it prevents RNA from fully forming and is used to preserve corpses because it kills most bacteria and fungi. In some ways they are geniuses, but at times….aiyiyiyi.

Something more solid came up here in the form of an American Cancer Society story headlined Soy May Fuel Estrogen Positive Breast Cancers. Reading it though, there’s no may about anything. Published in the ACS’s own Cancer Research journal, here are Associate Professor of Nutrition at the University of Illinois William G. Helferich and his colleagues’ study info on the effects of the soy protein genistein:

Helferich and colleagues used female mice from whom ovaries had been removed so that their hormone levels would resemble those of women past menopause with very little or no estrogen circulating in the blood.

They injected human ER-positive breast cancer cells into the mice. After tumors were established, different groups of mice got low, medium, and high levels of genistein in their diets, while other mice got none.

Over a period of seven months, the tumors grew larger the more genistein was consumed. Tumors of mice getting medium amounts of genistein grew about four times larger than those getting little or none, and tumors of those getting the highest amounts of genistein grew about eight times larger than those getting the least.

I saw this National Geographic show about life in prison the other day. One of the guys locked up said prison is hell. If that’s hell, then being a lab mouse must be like being in satan’s bedroom or something.

Women going through menopause seem to be particularly vulnerable. My own mother died of breast cancer a few years back when she was 51, and pretty much all she would eat the year before that was tofu fried in olive oil. I can’t help but wonder if this played a role somehow. Another part of the article seems to support my thoughts on this.

But estrogen also can increase the risk of some cancers and can fuel the growth of breast tumors made up of cells with many receptors for estrogen (ER-positive breast cancer). So experts suggest every woman understand her own cancer risk factors and talk with her doctor about whether to use HRT.

Plant Estrogens Can Mimic Human Estrogens

It has been known for some time that some proteins in soy, such as genistein, chemically resemble human estrogen so much that they are called phytoestrogens (plant estrogens) and may have similar effects, both good and bad.

Adding more fuel to the fire is a collaborative study by an investigator out of Syracuse University and National Institute of Environmental Health [part of the National Institutes of Health] researchers. The NIEH researchers found in a previous study that the soy protein genistein caused the mice to have irregular menstrual cycles, and problems with ovulation and fertility when they reached maturity. Here’s their data for their second study.

Female mice were injected with three different doses of genistein during their first five days of life. The genistein given to the mice was comparable to what human infants might receive in a soy-based formula, which is approximately 6-9 mg/kg per day. The researchers examined the effects on days 2 through 6.

The researchers found effects at all levels. Mice treated with the high dose (Gen 50 mg/kg) were infertile and mice treated with lower doses were subfertile, meaning they had fewer pups in each litter, and fewer pregnancies. Mice receiving the highest level of genistein, 50 mg/kg per day, had a high percentage of egg cells that remain in clusters, unable to separate and therefore develop abnormally. The researchers explain that oocytes [immature egg cells] that remain in clusters are less likely to become fertilized based on previous research. The largest difference between the genistein treated and normal mice was found at six days of age where 57 percent of the egg cells in the non-treated ovaries were single or unclustered; and only 36 percent in the genistein treated group were single.

We think genistein inhibits the oocytes or egg cells from separating apart,” said Wendy Jefferson, Ph.D. of NIEHS and lead researcher on the paper. “Since there are many egg cells in the same follicle instead of just one, the resources from the surrounding cells are spread too thin and they can’t get the support they need to become a mature functioning egg cell.”

“You need at least one good healthy single oocyte that is ovulated and fertilized by a sperm to get a healthy baby. Genistein seems to have a way of making this task very difficult,” said Newbold.

Another study conducted by Dr. Irina Ermakova at the Russian Academy of Sciences on female rats, some fed genetically modified soy, some given non genetically modified soy powder, and some fed a regular diet found that 55% of the babies of the rats fed GM soy died within 3 weeks, versus 9% of the rats fed non genetically modified soy. Over a third of the rats fed GM soy were grossly underweight. This is horrendous, because as the article detailing this study admits, GM soy consumption is widespread in America.

I have an excellent Halloween costume idea.

Certainly, it doesn’t affect everyone like this, or hospitals would always be jam packed. Some people have more of a susceptibility to these symptoms than others, but as the results of these studies indicate, the health effects should not be ignored, and soy should definitely not be put up on the vegetarian golden pedestal.

Natural Health Magazine contributer Sally Eauclaire Osborne included some more soy stories in Does Soy Have a Dark Side? A Japanese study where the subjects ate 30 grams of pickled roasted soybeans a day for three months had enlarged thyroids and suppressed thyroid function. A month after the study ended their health went back to normal. A study by North Shore University Hospital-Cornell University Medical College in Manhasset, New York found that children suffering from thyroid autoimmune disorders [immune system attacking body cells] were consuming significantly more soy based formulas than other healthy kids not suffering from them, including their own siblings. Cliff Irvine, a New Zealand reproductive endocrinologist found that the reccommended level of soy intake there was several times the minimum needed to change reproductive hormones in women. It’s not limited to women, though. It seems that old legend about soy making boys less manly has some truth to it. At least for monkeys. The Scotland Sunday Herald reports:

Soon after birth, like all male primates, human boys undergo a dramatic surge in testosterone – during this period the body produces high quantities of the principal male sex hormone. The reason for the surge is unknown, though testosterone is thought to be responsible for stimulating bone and muscle growth and the development of sexual characteristics.

In humans this “neonatal testosterone surge” takes place between one and five months of age. Monkey species undergo the same surge, including marmosets. However in the Edinburgh study when marmosets were fed with soy milk formula, which contains natural plant oestrogen, the surge was suppressed.

After 18-20 days, average testosterone levels in soy-fed marmosets were 30% lower than those fed on cow’s milk, and after 35-45 days levels were 55% lower than the control group.

I never liked soy. I really tried to develop a taste too when my mother put it in front of me. Thank god it didn’t take! I’d probably be too damped down now to write a sentence, much less whole articles. Or worse, I might have ended up…………..

26 Responses to “Soy Blues”

  1. TDK Says:

    I have my doubts about this article. First off, it has been already established that estrogen plays a role in increasing breast/uterine cancer. However, soy contains phytoestrogen. Phytoestrogen has less of an effect than estrogen, but at the same time binds more strongly to estrogen receptors. Thus, the presence of phytoestrogen is beneficial. Like all things, soy is best used in moderation, but compared to other foods, soy is still one of the best.

  2. Thomast Says:

    The work of Dr Enig for the Weston Price foundation on soy, found female plant oestrogens were the equivalent to three birth control pills a day, if infants were fed on soy formula alone. Phytates in soy block iron, calcium magnesium etc absorption; trypsin blocks protein absorption, and other chemicaks play havoc with thyroid hormones, causing extreme obesity. Animal studies show cancer of liver, pancreas and thyroid from soy feeds. Stay away from all soy except the fermented stuff, nato and soy sauce. Dont believe what the soy growers/sellers BS about preventing this or that, even though they do spend 30 million $ a year promoting this non food.

  3. Fuzz Says:

    Most Japanese use fermented soy and would not think of eating a tofu burger or anything else made of soy especially now that most of it is a GM crop. They’ve known for perhaps hundreds of years and we have yet to be educated.

  4. Mark Says:

    Read the book The Whole Soy Story, and you will know more. Soy is not good for you.

  5. Annie Says:

    This is concerning the pic of boosh kissing gannon…who is this gannon?

  6. Mark Wisniewsky Says:

    phytoestrogens BLOCK estrogen receptors, thus preventing cancer, not causing it. There is a disinfo campaign against soy.

    Phytates are phosphorus compounds found primarily in cereal grains, legumes, and nuts. They bind with minerals such as iron, calcium, and zinc and interfere with their absorption in the body.

    Phytates/phytic acid are the storage form of phosphorus bound to inositol in the fiber of raw whole grains, legumes, seeds, and nuts. Although these foods have a high phosphorus content, the phosphates in phytates are not released through the digestive process. Phytates, particularly in such raw foods as bran, are a concern because they can bind a portion of the iron, zinc, and calcium in foods, making the minerals unavailable for absorption.

    Phytic acid occurs in unsprouted grains, seeds, and legumes, and is particularly rich in the bran. Although these foods have a high phosphate content, the phosphate in phytates is not released by digestion. When bread is leavened by yeast, enzymes degrade phytic acid and phytates pose no problem. Phytic acid is also destroyed during baking and food processing.

    Enzymes, called phytases, destroy phytates during certain food processes such as: the yeast-raising of dough, the sprouting of seeds, grains, legumes, the roasting of nuts, presoaking beans, cooking, fermentation as in tempeh, miso, and natto, combining acidic foods with zinc-rich foods, etc.

  7. Sunny Says:

    I have in the last 5-10 years become intolerant to many foods, first it was milk, so I switched to soy milk. It was great for about 3years, I used it evey morning with cereal. Then practically overnight, the soy milk became like a poison to me. 3 hours of stomach pain after drinking it. I truly believe, that whatever the soy is treated with (pesticides) or the GM angle is something I slowly poisoned myself daily with. I have learned that I can not eat or drink anything, every day. The toxic build up is what is killing us slowly.

  8. Kerry Bindon Says:

    I have absolutley no doubt that soy is the worst experiment ever conducted on humanity…there should be a class action against it. Not only that destroying the amazon to make this poison, just compounds the problem, Mark Wisnieewsky just above is talking through his hat. I treid soy thinking it was a health food for ages, soy milk, soy protein soy this soy that….and wondered what was giving me leaky gut and making me sick as a dog, upon reading an expose in an alternative magazine in 96, i was instantly ill and vomited for days until my system was cleared of it. One of its symptons apart from the the mass obesity epidemic it is contributing to…there is not a single bread in a supermarket here or baked goods from cake shops which does not now add it as a cheap filler. The female hormone analogue in it which Mark reckons is an anti cancer agent actually causes menses in girls before the normal age of puberty like 8 to 10 years of age and causes feminisation of boys, this is a the worst food for boys. One day this will be seen as even worse then asbestos, another industrial nightmare that was promoted as harmless and so good for you, that they made houses out of it.

  9. jose lanz Says:

    We need to remember the bias of every study, for example soy formula here in Brazil are very popular, neverthless much brands have sucralose. I wonder if there is a compound in that formula who could do as harm as slow poison ingredients such as sucralose, aspartame and other use on it. There are counties who based their need on soy seed and have not present nothing bad.

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  11. pajama momma Says:

    I’m sorry I’m link whoring here, but I have two articles you might possibly be interested in. I promise I won’t be insulted if you delete my links, cuz I’m embarrassed I’m link whoring. These topics just happen to be of great interest to me.

    http://pjmomma.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/why-soy-is-bad-for-you/

    http://pjmomma.wordpress.com/2008/01/17/my-milkshake-brings-all-the-boys-to-the-yard-raw-milk-redo/

  12. check your sources Says:

    Name one independent source that does not rely on the biased and flawed data of the Weston Price Foundation that demonstrates that soy is harmful for humans. All of this talk is nonsense and the people behind the Weston Price’s agenda of propagation do not even have the qualifications to even be making these claims. An English degree does not constitute having a foundation in a science. Additionally, studies that isolate soy proteins or create synthetic versions of soy protein structure are not going to have accurate results and will not be demonstrative of traditional fermented soy products like tofu, etc. Also, rats are not a good model for human biology and physiology under most circumstances.

    GM anything is a bad idea and it should not be soy producers that are blamed for the cutting down of rainforests! That is ridiculous! Rather the blame should be placed with the factory farmers that are behind the drive for this initiative in the first place. It’s terribly amusing to me how much of a gossip mill the world is. People hear such and such is bad for you and don’t research the topic for themselves all the while running their mouth about something that they haven’t a clue about.

    Why don’t we focus our energies on talking about how plastic is harmful for people, or pesticides, or contamination of soil from factory farms? You know, stuff that actually matters.

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  14. jesse Says:

    Ok I agree GM anything is a bad idea.. If you are paying attention at all the you should be eating all organic, or better yet growing all your own food organically. Lets just stay away from the controversial foods untill the jury is in. And like the last person concentrate our efforts against the proven harmful things in the world… pesticides, GM foods, depleted uranium, aspartame, monosodium glutamate, live cancer viruses in the vaccines, US war with IRAN, imploding economy, police state, I mean the list is endless. Google any of these ideas with the keyword danger and you will get my drift. That said I avoid soy, unless organic, because it is always GM. Anything that is made from soy, cotton, corn, or canola is most likely GM unless it is organic. Oh yeah soy sauce contains MSG, an excitotoxin that is not our friend. BON APETIT

  15. Discern Says:

    I don’t care if people want to eat soy or not. But I do think it’s a shame that wannabe ‘experts’ like Fallon & Enig, who have done a very good job of causing fear of soy foods with nothing more than clever writing style and long-shot conclusions from a variety of studies that suited their purposes. Want to accuse the soy industry of profiteering? What about the threat that soy poses to the dairy industry and their concerted efforts to reinforce the message that dairy is healthy & necessary for health, even though it has been shown to not be. Go to http://www.notmilk.com for an exhaustive resource on why you should avoid milk at all costs… its a topic that could definitely do with more attention!

  16. dogismyth Says:

    Good night folks. Soy has been a staple much longer than your hotdogs, potato chips and other highly contaminated foods. My wife, Korean, is a grandmother and a mother of six and has feasted on soy since her birth (i would imagine). She is trim, strong, healthy and gets carded (id) if purchasing booze. She looks 25!

    If you are trying to improve the world, I could think of…oh…a few million other things. This is moonbat shit!

  17. necia Says:

    commercial soy GM soy all of it used in our products in small print..often hidden by other names is BAD soy like in asian countries ..fresh and prepaed right is healthy and I did the soy thing.powder.milk tc for over aa year and had such a digestion problem I could hardly eat anything.. I thought it was a gastrointestinal proble..never knowing soy was the culprit until i read a stidy on it and the preperation in asian countries that i knew how bad it is and then the filler aspect and it is in everything . also he gm nightmare and they hide bad things like aspartame and msg under other innocent heathy names . artificial flavors is msg or aspartame sooo dangerous ..read your labels,even oganig only has to be 35 per cent now unless u get farmes market or home grown things ugh @@grrowl

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  19. Tani Says:

    Just to keep the record straight…
    What Fuzz said about the Japanese avoiding GM foods and burgers made with soy may well be so, but he left out the fact that in addition to relatively small amounts of miso (bean paste) and natto (fermented soybeans, they do eat larger amounts of tofu, which is not a fermented food. My husband is Japanese and I lived in Japan for 35 years and we have eaten a lot of tofu, to no ill effect. None of the Japanese I know worries about eating too much tofu, either (and most of my friends are Japanese).

  20. Vev Says:

    I’m not a soy person…

  21. Agný Says:

    I got to know soy when I was 17 year old in Denmark (was on visit on a shool were they ate no meet but some thing they called soy meet..I wanted to know from what animal that was..I come from a farm in Iceland..and we do for sure not have any animal who produce soy meet…And beeing told it come from a plant ..well I could never see soy as ok from that moment..This was in 1974. I have been translating and publishing articles about soy here and there in magazine and blog and forum …for last 2-3 years and people are slowly opening their eyes..but to slowly I say…let say fully opened before all man become homosexual and human race wil be called “it” ..not he and she… Soy is making man more feminize and girl´s to mature too soon and both kind of “burn” out… Soy is just bad, bad thing for boy´s and man but also for woman but not for same reason.. Here are som interessant video´s about what Gm food and soy to day is mostly GM rounduo ready monsterplant from Monsanto. You will find lot of links on these sites ..well you will probable not understand icelandic…but also english there…
    ERFÐABREYTT MATVÆLI / GMO Mörg / Many VIDEO, The Genetic Conspiracy – about Monsanto
    http://alvaran.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5590

    SOY FORMULA TENGD VIÐ HEGÐUNARVANDAMÁL,
    Manganese 200-300 mcg í soy en 4-6 mcg í brjóstamjólk
    http://alvaran.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5527
    Is There A Link Between Soy Formula And Attention Deficit Disorder?
    Scientific Study Of Soy Milk Finds Behavior Problems From High Manganese Levels.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/…21007071724.htm
    SOY er ekki heilsubætandi fæða.., Soy is not a health food.
    http://alvaran.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5422
    http://alvaran.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5527
    Vegan Parents Get Prison In Infant’s Death
    Child Fed Mostly Soy Milk, Juice
    POSTED: 12:50 pm EDT May 9, 2007
    http://www.news4jax.com/news/13286030/detail.html
    Soy Milk May Be Tied To Infant Deaths
    http://ezinearticles.com/?Soy-Milk-May-Be-Tied-To-Infant-Deaths&id=94055
    Vegan Parents Found Guilty: Infant Son’s Death by Starvation
    At 6 Weeks Old and 3 1/2 Pounds, Crown Starved to Death
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/235539/vegan_parents_found_guilty_infant_sons.html
    Soy Formula Kills Three Babies
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/26/soy-formula-part-five.aspx
    Beware of The Toxicity of Soy Products
    http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm
    Well…as I see it then soy is not the blessing people are bought into beleving ..but money have their own power…
    So I keep writing and talking about soy …but what people do about it is their own thing…but I have 4 boy´s and I will for sure not let them become feminize or homosexual when I have some saying…and one day I might want to become grandmother…

  22. Agný Says:

    I got to know soy when I was 17 year old in Denmark (was on visit on a shool were they ate no meet but some thing they called soy meet..I wanted to know from what animal that was..I come from a farm in Iceland..and we do for sure not have any animal who produce soy meet…And beeing told it come from a plant ..well I could never see soy as ok from that moment..This was in 1974. I have been translating and publishing articles about soy here and there in magazine and blog and forum …for last 2-3 years and people are slowly opening their eyes..but to slowly I say…let say fully opened before all man become homosexual and human race will be called “it” ..not he and she… Soy is making man more feminize and girl´s to mature too soon and both kind of “burn” out… Soy is just bad, bad thing for boy´s and man but also for woman but not for same reason..
    Deaths spark soy baby milk fears
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3257517.stm

    Soy Formula Kills Three Babies
    http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/soy_formula.htm

  23. Agný Says:

    SOY er ekki heilsubætandi fæða.., Soy is not a health food.
    http://alvaran.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5422

    http://www.mercola.com/2005/aug/30/soy_rul…health_food.htm

    Mothering August

    http://www.mothering.com/sections/news_bul…st2005.html#soy

    Soy Formula Kills Three Babies
    http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/soy_formula.htm

    Death by Veganism
    http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/veganism.htm
    SOY FORMULA TENGD VIÐ HEGÐUNARVANDAMÁL, Manganese 200-300 mcg í soy en 4-6 mcg í brjóstamjólk
    http://alvaran.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5527

    Is There A Link Between Soy Formula And Attention Deficit Disorder?
    Scientific Study Of Soy Milk Finds Behavior Problems From High Manganese Levels.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/…21007071724.htm
    http://www.markpurdey.com/articles_endearth.htm

    The Whole Soy Story. The True Soy Story.
    http://thewholesoystory.com/
    HEIMILDIR:
    http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/13/soy_formula.htm
    http://www.markpurdey.com/articles_endearth.htm

    THE TRUTH ABOUT SOY
    http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

    Many VIDEO, The Genetic Conspiracy – about Monsanto
    http://alvaran.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5590
    Journal Urologi April 2003;(4):1582-1586
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f…p;dopt=Abstract
    The truth about soy
    http://www.mercola.com/2004/dec/4/soy_truth.htm
    http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/26/soybeans.htm
    http://www.mercola.com/2005/jul/9/soy_fertility.htm

    BBC News June 21, 2005
    http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4115506.stm
    http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/index.htm
    Það er mjog vel fjallað um soy hér á þessari síðu http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/index.htm

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